tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post1546272068527533626..comments2024-03-28T00:25:54.357-06:00Comments on RIDING THE WIND: Hardrock 100 Applicants ListAntonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11148317903654491236noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-79803302373106946002011-12-16T01:06:07.446-07:002011-12-16T01:06:07.446-07:00I'd adore to determine all you guys obtain the...I'd adore to determine all you guys obtain the possibility to go head-to-head, and wish a bunch of you DO get in.<br /> When we play the WOW, we need to try get the <a href="http://www.zyy.com/" rel="nofollow">Cheap WOW Gold</a>,thst's to say, spend less money, do we have any good way to <a href="http://www.zyy.com/" rel="nofollow">buy wow gold cheap</a> from trust friends or some way else? When we have that we can play the game becomes more quickly and update the levels more easy.Show youhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09732161136905149190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-68155011107042304382011-02-01T21:31:41.340-07:002011-02-01T21:31:41.340-07:00Wow, the lake looks unreal. Good luck getting int...Wow, the lake looks unreal. Good luck getting into Hardrock. James is trying to get in too...I guess we'll know by Sunday!Candicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04077560008971821612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-80433161712214161062011-02-01T01:13:22.382-07:002011-02-01T01:13:22.382-07:00Don't mean to imply that it's ever that ea...Don't mean to imply that it's ever that easy. I admire your collective eagerness to inflict extra pain on yourselves.Mark Tanaka (Ultrailnakaman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13506740152878287937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-31747343710004587352011-02-01T01:04:14.098-07:002011-02-01T01:04:14.098-07:00Post and comments make for a fascinating read. Pe...Post and comments make for a fascinating read. Personally I'm with you. If you elite runners are more interested in pushing yourselves against a thicker competitive field rather than chalking easy wins, it would nice if certain RDs were willing to accomodate. Plus it's more interesting for everyone else following.Mark Tanaka (Ultrailnakaman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13506740152878287937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-89675535408238307052011-01-31T20:05:01.601-07:002011-01-31T20:05:01.601-07:00Speadgoat, it means you CANNOT beat him.Speadgoat, it means you CANNOT beat him.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08649849068889638443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-2162854299763768372011-01-30T20:25:12.162-07:002011-01-30T20:25:12.162-07:00Anton - I've spent this evening entering names...Anton - I've spent this evening entering names into our spreadsheet that I use to generate the tickets for the lottery, and am very impressed and flattered by the number of top runners who want to run this year. Personally, I'd love to see all you guys get the chance to go head-to-head, and hope a bunch of you DO get in. Of course, there are also more than 140 of my good friends from Hardrocks past, that as I scan down the list I think "I sure hope xxx gets in this year...." Luckily, I suppose, it ISN'T up to me so I don't have to make the hard choice. But I do hope that lady luck is with you next Sunday.Barkleybeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002797482425797269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-86825111280178149042011-01-30T10:45:10.171-07:002011-01-30T10:45:10.171-07:00Kris....I have to say it, Matt Carpenter, although...Kris....I have to say it, Matt Carpenter, although very fast....is not an ultrarunner. He's only run 3 as I recall. And, he did not win them all....what does that mean?Speedgoat Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938342832238975059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-8628694850403902012011-01-29T18:30:24.340-07:002011-01-29T18:30:24.340-07:00Why are you guys so concerned about some ultrarunn...Why are you guys so concerned about some ultrarunning championship race? I don't get it. Is because somehow you guys need to validate our sport? Who cares! Is it because you guys need to feel validated like Ryan Hall, Ritz, Meb, Rupp, Abdi? Ultrarunning need fast guys, I mean real fast guy like Matt Carpenter...Ultrarunning need more than one Matt Carpenter and we are very far from that.Krishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08649849068889638443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-53460198631075946202011-01-29T13:59:25.463-07:002011-01-29T13:59:25.463-07:00Blake--
Thanks for weighing in. I'm not neces...Blake--<br />Thanks for weighing in. I'm not necessarily an advocate of changing Hardrock's entry procedures in order to make it a "de facto national championship". As I understand it--and as you've just restated--that has never been its purpose. As Nick noted, hopefully there will continue to be some new events in the coming years that can fill that role w/o stepping on the toes of long-standing events like Hardrock.<br /><br />However--and this is the meat of the issue right now as I see it--Hardrock's course is so spectacular and so pure that it is an inevitable draw for someone like me who is interested in racing on that kind of terrain, but who is ALSO interested in racing the best competition.<br /><br />As small and niche as the sport of ultrarunning is, there is no denying that names like "Western States", "Hardrock", "Leadville", "Wasatch", and the like all hold legendary allure and prestige. And some, like Hardrock and Wasatch, are on really great lines through the available mountain ranges. The reason it's not easy to coalesce support around all of us top runners just self-organizing to go race a "lesser" 100 that doesn't fill is because we--just like mid- and back-of-the-packers--are still drawn to the prestige that comes with the names of these legendary races. Even if I beat Geoff, Nick, Scott, Hal, et al at, say, the Bighorn 100, the overall experience just doesn't have the same cachet of competing and finishing at Hardrock, Western States, etc. Which is exactly why you guys end up with so many runners on your applicants list every year. <br /><br />So, sure, part of it is definitely ego on my part. The other huge part, though, is just that you guys have put together an incredible course down there, and, for whatever reason, over the years have chosen to record and tabulate finishing times (despite being a "run" and not a "race"), so it's only natural that folks like myself, with a penchant for competition (i.e. coming together to bring out the best in one another) and big mountains become interested in having that experience.<br /><br />Thanks for all your work with the race over the years.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11148317903654491236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-51696621882045700452011-01-29T11:50:51.666-07:002011-01-29T11:50:51.666-07:00Interesting comments all around, Anton. As one of ...Interesting comments all around, Anton. As one of the architects of the Hardrock lottery algorithm, I can vouch that we've wrestled a lot with how to strike the proper balance between rewarding long-time supporters, getting in new blood, maintaining Hardrock's "small run" feel, and making it an interesting run. Believe it or not, there was a time when our numbers went down for a couple years, and we wondered whether Hardrock would be a viable event. So far, we've given emphasis to staying with the formula that has made it so popular. It is good that there are de facto "national championship" races, but we haven't aspired to make Hardrock one of them. In any case, deciding who gets in is a tough choice when you know that more than 75% are going to be disappointed. But we always welcome and listen to feedback about our entry procedures.Barkleybeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002797482425797269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-29831331558841416112011-01-29T11:43:01.871-07:002011-01-29T11:43:01.871-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Barkleybeasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002797482425797269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-44412267026058444752011-01-29T11:18:57.021-07:002011-01-29T11:18:57.021-07:00Summer X-games! Maybe that's the ticket. All...Summer X-games! Maybe that's the ticket. All the exposure is there in place. We'll finish when the Moto X flies over us. It's in LA, we could find a route there that would be tough, non altitude, and exposure, exposure. Just a random thought while running. :-)Speedgoat Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938342832238975059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-34236552154314073932011-01-29T07:13:20.924-07:002011-01-29T07:13:20.924-07:00Simple Solution: already posted this elsewhere, bu...Simple Solution: already posted this elsewhere, but the logic seems sound enough to repeat . . . <br /><br />there are a number of high quality mountain 100s that are still open registration: Bear and Bighorn come to mind off the top of my head . . . worry about a rotating championship, a championship race (a.k.a Boston Marathon style), or a reserved 10 spots at some of the classic races later . . . and simply create the race you guys keep saying you want so desperately this year by deciding on an open race and registering. Since the open races tend to be "low key" events you may even want to run the notion by the RDs before everyone signs up overnight and dramatically shifts the feel of the race.japhrunshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16291390981850688335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-53622113871947386982011-01-28T20:18:44.886-07:002011-01-28T20:18:44.886-07:00Slabby--You're probably right. Good points al...Slabby--You're probably right. Good points all around.<br /><br />AJW--You're just scheming for yet another top-10 finish! :-) Although you obviously proved last year that you're quite capable of that no matter what the depth of competition.Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11148317903654491236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-72992575471121041082011-01-28T17:21:25.268-07:002011-01-28T17:21:25.268-07:00I'm sorry, you guys need to stop obsessing abo...I'm sorry, you guys need to stop obsessing about these 'championship', and highly competitive races with a 'stacked' field, and do something about it already. Get together with all your buddies and organize one. I love reading your and Geoff's blog but geez, I can imagine that it's the only thing you guys talk about anymore during runs.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16121490439705036915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-72299556970415900472011-01-28T14:29:45.898-07:002011-01-28T14:29:45.898-07:00Tony,
I have to say if you, Geoff and Nick all ge...Tony,<br /><br />I have to say if you, Geoff and Nick all get into HRH and choose to bypass WS it would not only make it easier for Kilian to win (or cherry pick) but it also might send those guys at WS a message. Of course, if I get into HRH I'll do both but not with any intent to win either.AJWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04387120797582582699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-81724117990689811992011-01-28T13:59:16.181-07:002011-01-28T13:59:16.181-07:00Not that Jared needs any defending, but I don'...Not that Jared needs any defending, but I don't think you're giving him or the Hardrock enough respect. I agree that any of the "upper" list guys could all run sub-27:00 with a reasonably smooth race. But I think that "reasonably smooth" thing is harder than it looks, especially for first-timers, which most of that list is. <br /><br />Also note that only four people have run the Hardrock faster than Jared has. Karl himself has only gone below 27 hours twice, and Hal hasn't come close.Slabbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358636432282784341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-24049039923920468792011-01-28T13:06:35.290-07:002011-01-28T13:06:35.290-07:00Nick--I think I mostly agree about your hope to se...Nick--I think I mostly agree about your hope to see some races stay low-key and to have some newer races change the rules a bit to allow some stellar competition.<br /><br />Jun/Nick--Regarding Jared being in the "upper" list: I definitely thought about it. Jared is an incredibly strong mountain runner and has paid his dues at all of the true mountain 100s--his 27:xx win last year was totally deserved and I genuinely congratulate him. On top of that, Jared climbs 5.13 and does great things for the sport as an RD. All impressive. Having said that, given a reasonably smooth race (no 100 miler is truly smooth!) I think anyone in my upper list would be rightly disappointed with a 27hr finish time. I know I would. That's not a knock against Jared, it's just a recognition of different expectations.<br /><br />Olga/Karl--I think HR and UTMB are spaced JUST far enough apart to be okay. Unfortunately, I don't have Kilian-type (or AJW) recovery capabilities and I won't be racing both WS and HR this year. The main problem is, I'm not going to just let Kilian cherry-pick WS this year and I'm fairly certain he's not interested in HR this year.<br /><br />Nick may be right: the world's top runners are currently set up to be at both WS/UTMB this year, two 100milers that will require vastly different skills, and HR might best be left for 2012. The problem is you can't make any kind of plan to get into HR (unless you're Karl). But 2012 could be sweet: May-UT Mt. Fuji, July-HR, Aug-UTMB...Antonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11148317903654491236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-11754956923571007802011-01-28T11:25:14.999-07:002011-01-28T11:25:14.999-07:00Olga, maybe not enough spread for Karl if he does ...Olga, maybe not enough spread for Karl if he does go for the Rocky Mountain Slam this year, with the UTMB in between, and plans to be competitive... ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-923234227660986362011-01-28T11:18:26.037-07:002011-01-28T11:18:26.037-07:00Olga - I'm with you. HR in 2012, if the race c...Olga - I'm with you. HR in 2012, if the race committee is interested. <br /><br />Things are already lined up for 2011 at WS and UTMB: a track meet and a true mountain slog-fest with many of the same runners doing both races. Epic stuff.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07768257304687597320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-62282492375061252252011-01-28T09:00:52.947-07:002011-01-28T09:00:52.947-07:00Karl, for you it IS enough spread. Is it for the r...Karl, for you it IS enough spread. Is it for the rest of the list? :)Olgahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493291972954387932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-89610283413079483302011-01-28T08:05:19.230-07:002011-01-28T08:05:19.230-07:00I really hope you get in HR and don't run WS. ...I really hope you get in HR and don't run WS. Same goes for alot of other fast guys, like Geoff, Wolfe, and the list goes on. Don't leave me alone out there man...:-)<br /><br />Olga, running HR and UTMB is plenty spread apart to run both. :-)<br /><br />See you at RR, at least for a bit...Speedgoat Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06938342832238975059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-72687019993407186842011-01-28T08:04:53.849-07:002011-01-28T08:04:53.849-07:00I'm just throwing this out for your opinion, b...I'm just throwing this out for your opinion, but you have Jared Campbell listed as a 'supporting cast' and a possible 'breakthrough' winner. Didn't he win it last year? I know he wasn't on record pace or anything, but the competition was still pretty good and the kid knows how to climb some vert. I would have thought he'd make the upper list. Maybe I'm just unlearned.junhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03483517319335792896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-55787719722935707942011-01-28T06:13:58.722-07:002011-01-28T06:13:58.722-07:00What's the plan if somehow, by magic, you all ...What's the plan if somehow, by magic, you all get in (or on a upper parts of the wait list)? Are you willing to race both races, HR and UTMB? And not drop from either to "justify" those 400 who didn't get in? Which one would be a "championship race" then? May be ya'll race in Europe this year, and then next year press HR committee to host a stellar field.<br />Don't take me wrong, I am all for allowing elites into the race behind the scene. I AM! It IS great for the race, sport and fun. Just, guys, entertain us, then, like Scott Jamie did at HR, or Killian at WS, prove you do do it for the love of sportmanship and nature alike:) In a meantime - see ya at RR, eat that record for dinner!Olgahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493291972954387932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-451222917425507533.post-50429427081413872962011-01-27T21:51:46.490-07:002011-01-27T21:51:46.490-07:00Who knows, maybe that Kyle Skaggs kid would do it ...Who knows, maybe that Kyle Skaggs kid would do it too..Dominic Grossmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10488705336241557651noreply@blogger.com